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Take A Seat Tesla, The Real Revolution In EVs For The Masses Is On The Bus

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:48 pm

This is where it is at. Buses and service vehicles are the big impact on environment if going to electric. There are far more of them that can be put to use than the average person purchasing and EV. Tesla will have a hard time keeping up with BYD as they have pretty much already taken the market by storm.

Take A Seat Tesla, The Real Revolution In EVs For The Masses Is On The Bus
Forbes Now
Alan Ohnsman, Forbes StaffOct 9, 2017

A double-decker electric bus on display at BYD’s expanded factory in Lancaster, California, on Oct. 6, 2017.
As Elon Musk struggles to smooth out assembly-line glitches with Tesla’s first semi-affordable electric car a very different effort to bring battery-powered vehicles to the masses appears to be moving faster.
China’s BYD and California-based startup Proterra are vying for leadership in the fast-growing U.S. market for electric buses, while New Flyer, North America’s dominant maker of transit vehicles, is also eyeing bigger sales of emission-free models.
BYD opened a dramatically enlarged plant in Lancaster, California, this month that’s designed to make 1,500 electric buses, delivery vehicles, forklifts and trash trucks a year, the largest such facility in the U.S. That followed Proterra’s opening of its second bus factory in July, near Los Angeles. Led by Tesla veterans, Proterra also said Monday it will supply its longest-range battery packs to Belgian coach-maker Van Hool, and has upgraded its electric drivetrain to boost horsepower and acceleration.
BYD is a dominant force in China’s electric vehicle market and wants to replicate that success in the U.S. Proterra seeks to stand out as the tech leader, touting cutting-edge battery packs and electric motors to quickly convince transit operators to dump diesel and embrace electrification.
“When we can design and build (components) ourselves we get far better performance at much lower prices, and that’s really going to help us continue down the cost curve and continue up the performance curve,” Matt Horton, Proterra’s chief commercial officer told Forbes. “It’s going to be so clear that electric is better than diesel that the conversation, we think, about diesel fuel will be over in public transit in just a couple years.”
(For more, see Proterra’s Ryan Popple Is On A Mission To Electrify The Transit Bus Businessin the December 20, 2016 issue of Forbes)
Battery buses have been on the road in small numbers for years, limited by high prices, range and charging infrastructure. Steady improvements in cell and pack design, as well as better software to monitor and manage thermal issues have boosted performance and brought costs down from about $1 million per vehicle a few years ago to about $700,000 today. That’s still much more than a diesel bus, at about $400,000, but electric busmakers argue that lower fuel and maintenance costs more than pay back that upfront premium.
The market for transit buses in the U.S. and Canada is around 6,000 units a year, according to New Flyer, a fraction of the 21 million passenger vehicles sold in the two countries in 2016. Yet electrics will account for a bigger share of the transit market this year, with up to 7% of new buses being battery powered, according to interviews with industry executives, compared with about 1% for passenger vehicles. While bus sales are relatively small, they have a big impact: Personal vehicles typically carry one or two passengers a day; each urban transit buses carry hundreds.
Musk argues that electric vehicles, ideally repowered with solar energy, are a critical tool to reducing carbon. An increasing number of transit agencies agree with him and want petroleum alternatives to minimize emissions. Major U.S. cities including Los Angeles, Seattle and New York are looking to ultimately shift to entirely zero-emission transit, while Philadelphia, Nashville, Chicago and numerous others are adding more electrics to their fleets.
“Absolutely we are seeing the trend of zero or near-zero” buses, New Flyer CEO Paul Soubry told Forbes. “In 2017, the number that will be electric will be somewhere between 300 to 400. Next year will be progressively more.”
The industry will shift is “not going to be dramatic, but will be a progressive evolution and acceptance of electrification,” he said. Unlike BYD and Proterra, which sell only electrics, it supplies transit agencies with the powertrain option customers determine best suit their needs, Soubry said.
New Flyer’s share of transit bus sales was 45% in 2016, and included diesel, natural gas, hybrid and electric models. Still, the company recently invested an additional $25 million into its R&D facility in Anniston, Alabama, where it also makes buses, to study improved ways to electrify its products, as well as autonomous and connected vehicle technology.

A 45-foot Van Hool CX motor coach that will be available with Proterra’s long-range battery pack.
Proterra recently demonstrated a battery pack capable of propelling ones of its Catalyst buses more than 1,100 hundred miles on a single charge. While no transit route requires that so range on a daily basis, the new pack opens up the possibility of electrifying buses for tour operators, sports teams and touring musicians, Proterra’s Horton said.
In its arrangement with Van Hool, Proterra packs will be used for corporate coaches operated by Bay Area tech companies, he said, declining to provide financial details of the company’s first supply deal.
For its part, BYD intends to boost both electric bus sales to U.S. customers, and go after nascent demand for battery-powered commercial vehicles, trash trucks and forklifts, aided by the expanded capability of its Lancaster factory. With its sales in China, BYD describes itself as the world’s largest maker of electric vehicles.
“With the ability to manufacture 1,500 buses per year and create hundreds of jobs in the process, this facility stands as proof that green technology is not just good for the environment, but good for business,” Wang Chuanfu, BYD’s billionaire founder, said at an Oct. 6 ceremony. Berkshire Hathaway, a long-time backer, currently owns about 8% of BYD.
“The fleets of vehicles being deployed here are being deployed across America, making zero emissions heavy-duty vehicles the new normal.”

Attendees at BYD’s plant opening event included Kevin de Leon, California Senate President Pro Tem, left, BYD America President Stella Li, BYD Chairman and President Wang Chuanfu, House Majority Leader and Congressman Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersfield) and Los Angeles County Supervisor Kathryn Barger, right.

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Re: Take A Seat Tesla, The Real Revolution In EVs For The Masses Is On The Bus

Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:55 pm

The delivery/courier industry is definatley one to tap into. They still are having some issues with range and not enough fast charging stations to make it totally profitable but the last line in this article is putting all the eggs in Tesla's basket and I agree I don't think they will make it to the plate in time to get the home run
A Big Week For Electric Trucks in the U.S.
Forbes Now
Steve Banker, Contributor · Sep 14, 2017

The Mitsubishi Fuso eCanter truck is unveiled during a launch event in New York, U.S., on Thursday, Sept. 14, 2017. The Daimler AG unit unveiled the new Fuso eCanter, an electric light-duty truck produced under its Mitsubishi Fuso brand. The latest version has a range of 60 to 80 miles (97 to 129 kilometers) between charges, depending on body, load and usage. Photographer: Mark Kauzlarich/Bloomberg
Daimler AG reported today that United Parcel Service will be the first commercial customer for its new battery-powered eCanter truck in the U.S. The trucks can carry three to four and a half tons of cargo, which is a few tons less than a diesel truck. The trucks have a range of 60 miles between charges.Customers can add battery packs for greater range, or sacrifice range for heavier payload
Electric vehicles are emissions-free and do not cause noise pollution. Daimler says these trucks will save about $2,000 in operating costs for every 10,000 miles driven.Because of their range, electric trucks will primarily be used for deliveries in urban environments rather than traveling cross country.
It has been a big week for announcements on electric trucks.Elon Musk, the CEO of the electric car maker Tesla, said the company will unveil the first all-electric semi tractor-trailer on Oct 26.It has been reported that this vehicle has an expected range of 200-300 miles.
Finally, Cummins, a manufacturer of diesel and natural gas engines for commercial trucks, unveiled a Class 7 heavy-duty truck that it will sell to bus operators and commercial truck fleets starting in 2019.This tractor will be able to haul a 22-ton trailer for up to 100 miles.
For the next few years, until the battery technology improves, sales of these trucks in the U.S. will be driven by a desire for companies to be ecofriendly.The Governance & Accountability Institute reported that 82 percent of companies in the S&P 500 now publish Corporate Sustainability Reports. Different companies approach sustainability in different ways, but a desire to be more ecofriendly is quite common. UPS, the first commercial customer for Daimler, for example has committed itself to sustainable urban logistics.
Despite the Daimler projection that these trucks will save about $2,000 in operating costs for every 10,000 miles driven, the economics of using a truck also need to take into consideration driver utilization. In Daimler’s case, their eCanter truck has a range of 60 miles.If an urban truck is averaging 20 miles per hour, that means every three hours it needs to stop and recharge.High speed recharging takes about half an hour, but these stations are still too few and far apart. So, not only is their limited range, trucks may often have to return to their home base to recharge.
Based on a 200-300 mile range, the Tesla truck will probably have the best economics in the short term.

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